You could've saved time by writing "We stabbed militia mates in the back and ran away from the enemy".

really cool story especially the part about the phantom amarr fleet when you flipped the bunker. when in reality it was just you guys killing fellow minmatar militia 'just cuz bro'

Are you admitting to have initiated the engagement in this situation?

Also, labeling us as hostiles is perhaps inappropriate. Whether or not your alliance agreed to our truce, we were operating under the assumption that one was in place, and no hostilities were initiated and no provocation made to draw your alliance into a confrontation. It would be more appropriate to refer to us as 'war targets'.

Reality U'K took Floseswin together with allied. LNA showed up at the last minute to engage friendly militia and pretend do have done something.

LNA you are pathetic.

So that means you are calling most of the Militia liars!... LOL the Trolls are in action today. Are you sure your not an alt of Cynthia? LNA did nothing to support the taking of Flosewin. Even after repeated calls for assistance.

We plexed floseswin vunerable, it would have fallen according to plan. Regardless of whatever bullshit you spout. TRIAD has been key in capturing Floseswin and saving isbra. That you don't know this is sign enough that you don't give a **** about the militia or its strategic goals.

Of course we weren't rhere for the bunkerbust TRIAD is a EUTZ corp,. For the record we have been plexing floseswin for a week straight, in conjunction with U'K. Something apparently the entire militia knows except for you. As for your info, TRIAD left U'K earlier this month, so I have nt been out of U'K for 3 months. Odd you didn't realize that, with you awesome sensenof situational awareness.

huh? you really ASSUME alot dont you. the part about the amarr militia fleet going purple on purple with us. im sure that likely. the part about us supposedly being informed of another amarr militia fleet. the part about our leadership witholding intel lol.

If the point of this bulletin is to convince other TLF forces and the general public that LNA are fighting the good fight, LNA is not doing a good job of it. If you're going to make a habit of throwing war declarations at Militia Allies it would be a good idea to have diplomats better trained at spinning your side of the argument. As an allied Capsuleer with no previous involvement with UK or LNA my initial assessment upon reading the original announcement was that LNA had taken a blatantly agressive course of action in order to precipitate a confrontation with UK, and were attempting to put the mask of patriotism over it. Maybe the facts *are* different, but LNA's presentation is beyond self serving.

If you were worried about Amarr interference, why not focus your efforts on the interdiction of their fleet? You could have taken your fight to the enemy and covered for the TLF forces attacking the iHub.

As for the claim that the iHub was in 3/4 shields, sensor data posted by UK from the engagement clearly shows the iHub in Armor and dropping when the LNA fleet jumped in. By my estimation they would have easily taken down the iHub, despite your claim that the TLF fleet had too little DPS.

<3 I'm glad that a little homework has led you to a reasonable and sensible point of view. LNA has either made this argument very poorly, or they have no intention of being taken seriously and went at it for the fun and the 'troll' of it. I'm kind of leaning toward the latter, to be honest.

I, such as I am, stand behind my old allies from Ushra'Khan. They've always been good to me, and dealt fairly and honestly with me and my friends even when they had no obligation to do so. LNA should focus more on fighting the Amarr - they're the real enemy here, guys.

But they've already shown substantiative video evidence that proves they aren't.

As for LNA and UK, it sounds like the same thing that happens in all the militias. Ultimately agenda's clash, **** happens and you'll all get over it.

LOL and this trolling behaviour is what causes LNA to loose support in the militia. I would suggest to take a step back and look at the big picture as I have over the last 24 hours. I am well aware that both sides have contributed to this meaningless internal war.

LOL yeah, you got that small unarmed tower. You're all heros, meanwhile....

If you're gonna troll us for losing a 70million isk tower, maybe you should try not to lose 220million isk cruisers while you "smash".

Anybody who is reading this that is not involved should take note of the special effort LNA takes to avoid any sort of public conversation about ending the war. I can also assure you that any private conversations about the war ending have been futile because of their unwillingness to let go of their spite. I think that in itself should be enough to illustrate exactlly where the responsibility for this continued discrace lies.

n++[ 2012.11.25 01:06:56 ] Bahamut420 > i'm not hear for TLF

The "Great Leader" has made clear he is not interested in diplomacy, or the best interests of the Republic. The traitors represents the very worst of our great republic. They were tasked to hold the line south of Auga but instead wish to allocate forces to "punch Ushra"khan in the face". What better way to help the Amarr then to leave the pocket undefended.

These traitors will NOT destroy the work the collective Militia have achieved. Ushra'khan has, in the interest of peace, asked our diplomats to make several attempts to resolve this war.

We will not escalate this war, even though the traitors attacked an undefended Ushra'khan funded safe pos.

Earlier tonight, Ushra'khan came to the aid of long standing allies who's POCO was under attack by the Amarr. We responded by bringing a 19man battlecruiser fleet to confront the Amarr and prevent them access to export taxes on precious planetary resources.

In return, our allies offered their assistance in defending the Militia safe pos. There were losses on both side, however the traitors were successful in destroying the defenseless Militia Safe Pos. As we escorted our allies back to their home system, ensuring on the way they opened fire on no friendly militia, the traitors continued to harass us.

These are the actions traitors and bullies, who have decided shooting blues is a viable strategy.

We can do better, U'k will not stand for traitors.

We did not instigate anything .

The words of a traitor cannot be trusted. The facts are clear. You ordered the attack of a U'K pilot, you declared war, you engaged us in the middle of a truce, destroyed a militia safe pos, actively hunted us as we escorted neutrals out of Minmatar controlled space, and can't even produce ONE unified diplomat.

I will not allow your fact-less name-calling to degrade this conversation. You avoid the main point of my argument and have no way of providing any evidence LNA is not the aggressors. You sir, as honorable as it is to speak well of your Alliance, I shall remind you there is no shame in admitting error and making amends. We have made it clear we do not want this war, and will do what we must to protect our people and the Republic we serve.

The longer this goes on, the more respect I lose for LNA. For goodness' sake, this war literally profits no-one. If you really want to be the bigger man, show you're more mature and everything, forgive Ushra'Khan for whatever slight they made against you, build a bridge and get the **** over it.

Fweddit and Ushra'Khan. Put your differences aside to fight an even greater enemy.

A Victor Rises

*Sitting and eatting popcorn. Passes some to Andreus and the triad gent.* Oh don't mind me. Continue on with your delusions Amun.

Sorry Amun. But i'm me. I'm not a Ushra alt. You won't believe me, but thats ok. I still think Shahfluff is a great pilot and i had the utmost respect for b420 in the past.

It's been repeatedly stated by other alliances who were in the system that day and demonstrated by video evidence that the bunker was already deep in armour by the time LNA arrived in the system. Heck, even my source in LNA says that you all knew this. Given that you clearly had capitals on standby to drop on top of Ushra'Khan, a far more productive use of both of your time would have been either to respect the ceasefire that Ushra'Khan had every reason to believe was in place and add your strength to theirs at the very least until the bunker was down, or engage the Amarr fleet yourself to give U'K time to finish the bunker.

Out of ten seperate sources in the TLF, including the one in your own alliance, I can't find a single one who'll corroborate this "fact." The only part of your story that adds up is the fact that Ushra'Khan had only gotten about 1/4 of the way through the bunker's armour - which you could have helped with, rather than blowing them up, or disengaged to attack the Amarr fleet instead. According to literally everyone else (including a member of your alliance, remember) the Ushra'Khan fleet were making good progress through the bunker's HP.

As it stands you are making assertions. Whether anyone believes your assertion is backed up by fact depends on what proof you present.

I'll admit you make a compelling argument, if one is to believe it. Having no basis to judge the credibility of either party involved based on personal experience I am limited to evaluating the evidence. So far the only sensor logs I've seen presented support the position of your opponent, and directly contradict earlier false claims by your Alliance. Now you are presenting a more nuanced case, one that reinterprets those sensor logs from your perspective. That's fine, up to a point... but you take the argument further and make claims that haven't been verified by any evidence presented by LNA.

Can you show anything to verify the proximity of the Amarr fleet you reference?

Why, if you were so well aware of the Amarr movements, did you not move to interdict their fleet?